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is the authorill of the best-selling book for years, the rise of the world's most powerful mercenary army. his most recent book is called "dirty wars." we are offering you that but. the story of america's covert wars. 359-number to call a as 866- 4334. hundred pages are footnotes. we urge you to call right now,
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response to jeremy's investigations and the context of the history of u.s. foreign policy. >> a person that many of you , he is a counterpart of jeremy from back in the 60's. he is a person that worked for courage this enormous and effort to try to expose the secret wars. they were perfectly public wars in which the media with keeping laos. -- and this is in the team succeeded in breaking through. the exposure of the war's going got, northern laos attacking
peasant society that was so remote from what was happening that many of them probably didn't know they were there with fred. in refugeeny of them camps after the cia army drove them out of areas where they had been hiding in caves under intense bombardments. the one thing that he pointed out, he is a great admirer of jeremy, i should say. heard, i hope we will read and see. comment by ae of a high american official back in
1968 that fred was trying to get to speak. why is this intensive bombing going on of northern laos? just destruction of a former peasants society. taxof the most malevolent of modern history. the official finally explained. sensation temporary of the bombing of north vietnam. i think that is the lesson of history that we should bear in tod and bring his exposures
first blackwater and the mercenary army. same way the the secret wars were secret. if you have a reporter that is willing to have the courage and integrity, you can expose said. these resources are there and a growing in palace of generating capacity that they will get larger and larger. and of one target disappears, they will return somewhere else. of that, too.tory if some of you want to read about it, there is a very study the history of drugs, torture, and so forth.
he did a study of the u.s. counterinsurgency war in the philippines. it was a brutal and murderous war. hundreds of thousands of people slaughtered. he pointed out that after the the u.s. forces were marines, mostly, in those days. they used the highest technology available. do our oury could standards about a primitive level. of the things that jeremy described. intorned the philippines 100 years later, they have never escape from this. it was permeated by the
consequences of this long terror war. but he pointed out that these measures, from before the first world war, they were quickly picked up, domestically, both by the british and the united states and applied to surveillance and control picnics. that is what we can expect. theyesources are there, are kept under a veil, not too much inspection of them. they're going to grow and develop. targetsurrent disappeared, they'll move on to new targets. and they will come home. expect more and more
of live. that is the historical background that should very much be kept in line. what thisttle of administration or the bush administration behead her who was actually new ideas. ideasere old, existing and resurrections of certain plans and programs. if you look at the phoenix program in vietnam that was this fascination program, there are serious parallels to what the united states was doing in iraq. is that the surge when the iraq war and if the general had not gone down for the only thing that seems to be capable of taking down the powerful, what they do in their top secret chambers, they get away joe of the secret wars that they want.
bring them down. he is often celebrated as this hero that when the iraq war. , they were bumping off the leadership of any cell that would pop up. and so you had a military figures that grew up at a certain narrow with an understanding of these programs. he when cheney and runs fell came to power with bush, they really saw, before 9/11, the historical moment in front of them to redraw maps and implement a division of the world in which iran-contra was a noble act.
i don't know if many of you know the minorityred to and viewedhe house, it as a heroic and necessary action. that when it comes to these national security issues, the white house is essentially a dictatorship and the only function is to not be involved with overseeing them or having meaningful oversight of these operations. rollback thema cut executive power grabs. doubletead, he sort of down on them and is waging this unprecedented war against whistle-blowers, reserving the right of the state to keep secret the american people evidence that would indicate why someone was being assassinated
to keep the state secrets privilege in repeated lawsuits brought against former officials or torturers, using the full power structure of the executive branch in the same obsessive way that was being used under bush and cheney. >> you were talking about u.s. officials. >> one of the stories in the book, and you will see this in the film, one of the characters his admiral william craven which is one of the most powerful military figures in modern u.s. history. ms. graven is the current commander of the special operations command in charge of activity across the globe in more than 100 countries. of he was an original member
seal team 6. he was an original member who had spent much of his career in the shadows of covert and clandestine u.s. operations. but hed've been deployed had injured his back in a parachuting accident at a training exercise in california where the seal team was based at the time. instead of forward deployed to afghanistan, he was passed by the general that was coming up with the process for putting people on these catalysts and try to take out all of the leadership or anyone they could catch to the attacks. to revise the national security council to.
if the secretary of defense and the secretary of state, it is really the core officials that dictate this policy. it is really the principles that are doing what the national defence and counter-terrorism are. developing how to implement the of others, and there were between seven and two dozen individuals put on the celeste. and he saw first hand how the white house worked. aboutrned a great deal the politics of an administration because he was there helping to craft a policy that he would later run the when he became the head of special operations forces.
it ends of going to iraq where he was the deputy commander of the joint special operations command understand in the crystal that was close to dick and he was the commander for much of the bush administration. he was working under the kill campaign in iraq and .oordinating all these actions he understood of both ends of the game, how it was run in the white house and implemented in the field. fortwo people responsible the most overt and sensitive operation being run by primarily cheney and drums felt were general in the crystal and
admiral mcrae then, and they became the most influential figures. really empower those forces and actually had immigrated in the white house shaking the policy and not just implementing military actions. now iconiche is figure because he commanded the ridiculous, and tried the trademark field team 6. the way that i discover the identity of the roman craven is that in february of 2010, there anda raid in afghanistan the u.s. special operations team had intelligence that there was a compound. were memberse
plotting attacks against american forces. the raid this compound in the middle of the night and they end up killing a number of men and to pregnant women. it turned out this was not a family. this was from a minority ethnic group, how the man of the house was the senior afghan police commander that have been trained by the forces. it is made up of a very high- ranking former officials. and so these women were killed, they fought against the terrorists, and the house was filled with pictures of him and u.s. soldiers. when the commandos realized they
had killed these women,, and what they were doing that night was the most anti-terrorist of things that they could of been ofng, celebrating the naming a child. we have their cellphone video from that night, so they ray, these people are killed, and instead of saying, we're really messed up, that is what happens every day. people are getting killed all the time that have no attachment whatsoever, and the u.s. will pay them a little bit of money and it never makes it into the papers. they dug the bullets out of the women's body. thattold their commanders what had happened in the compound that night was an ambush of this family, and they had come upon these women that
had been killed. they say this is an honor killing and that the women were killed by their own family members. release,out a press and people made this statement, saying that when the soldiers were heroes have gone in there and to save everyone else. but because there were a prominent family, one of the fathers of the women that spoke fluent english started calling reporters and telling people, this is not what nato is saying. he very great reporter actually went down there. familyrviewed the that they have tried to cover it up. the delay did this, nato did something extraordinary. they named him in a press release.
they accused him of lying. it could have ended his career. they kept pushing and pushing into the billing a number of stories that got close to that family. we went to this family and filled with them. immediate attention is focused on this village and this one family of compounds. eventually, made of says, we are about to put out a press release. had admit that their forces killed these pregnant women had the men were not a terrorist commanders. samee family told me the vein, that they got a call. the person they believed was going to be coming to visit them.
they wanted to kill general the crystal. when they wanted to stab him to death. one of the men told me that when they did this, i wanted to put on the suicide best and blow myself up. these are u.s. allies. imam said that your to give him hospitality. he goes down with his photographer, and there are waiting with the family thinking that my crystal was going to show up. vehicles,s convoy of some americans interspersed with them. in the center of this crowd is a guy with a name tag that says
ms. graven on it. to they brought with them sheep, and they approached the compound in the very place where andwomen had been killed, they're going to sacrifice vichy. what they were doing was a ritual from these people's culture, and it was like a forgiveness ritual. this is after the family had been gunned down, this scene is unfolding, the photographers start taking pictures and he did not know who he was at the time. at that time, he was the commander of the most elite in a secretive u.s. military force. ,hey are offering to sacrifice and the american and afghan forces tried a star of the
photographer. they say they are not allowed a.m., but the family, they said we want him as a witness so that someone independent this year to know what goes on today. he took all the notes of what he said in the room that day, and he admitted to the head of the household that it was his forces that killed his pregnant women. and he apologized. there are these stories that the head of the household had accepted the apology. he said the special forces did a cruel things, they beat us and wiped out our economy by taking away all of these people. foruldn't trade my two sons the entire kingdom of the united states.
another said these are commandos with beards. and so, when i watched the raid coverage and people started saying that publicly, we were shown of the dog was named cairo. we know what guns were used and we talk about this all the time. i was thinking, where was the coverage of this operation? it would give us more of a balanced picture of what happened in the thousands of light rays that happen every year. countries were not even know where we're rehydrating right now. that resonated strongly because i think we only have a tiny fraction of understanding, the extent of the kinds of operations being done and we
often hear about them the way that those in power want. or the one they want to publicize is accepted by the media outlets. >> if you can respond to what jeremy said, you have written extensively. written plenty of unpopular articles, one of the most unpopular had to do with the murder, not the killing of osama bin laden. he was a suspect. there are principles in the constitution, going back a hundred years. put it in narrow terms, but the general principle including a jeremy's correct expansion in
of people other than our own citizens is the person that can't be. punished by the state without due process of law and a speedy trial by his peers, it is in the constitution. naturally did not apply to native americans for blacks, and dubiously applied to women who were considered property and not people. over the years, it has been expanded and the messages to the point where jeremy was talking ourselves an't call civilized society. those of principles. he was a suspect. personally, i don't have any doubt that he was responsible.
but my personal opinion is nothing that stands up in a court of law. you have to have a serious trial and it was pretty clear the u.s. government didn't want that. mosts apprehended by the to use masters of war, the expression that exists in the world, i think he was defenseless. the first story that came out was that they had issued him because his wife who lunged at the seals. was later withdrawn. it was apprehended, defenseless, murdered. ,he body thrown into the ocean leaving of his questions as to why.
a lot of the aspect of this operation, it might be a complete criminal act with no justification, that there is more to it than this. heas reminded of the when talked about the testimony at the senate. else.s something he said that for years, the islamic radicals have been trying to turn this village against americans and they did not succeed, but you succeeded with a ground strike. you're creating more people to kill you, as they pointed out. first of all, the action itself
was extremely hazardous. wereeals that were sent under orders to shoot their way out if they got into any trouble. the army as a professional army , committed defense of the country, and if they had to try to shoot their way out, they wouldn't have been left alone. the forces would have come with a massive force and we might of been involved in nuclear war. something else that happened. the way that they identified him was through a fraudulent vaccination campaign, doctors
anti-polioo the vaccination. they've pretty soon figured out it is the rich areas. actually running the program was criminal. using the vaccination and doctors to try to apprehend a principleslates going back to the of the credit go for, but they stopped in the middle because they thought they were in the wrong area. him,finally identified but one consequence of their there is serious
concern about what americans are of two when they come in and start sticking needles in people and so on. it takes a lot of work to overcome the hostility. it was being over, and now it is gone. polio was almost gone in the world. is one of the last places where it survives. and as one commentator pointed days, peoplehese are going to look at this child has say, you did it to us. you can guess what is going to happen then. testimonymissed the of this young activist and
freelance journalist, last wednesday, we played it in full. you can watch and also read the transcript. i wanted to ask you to follow up on the opening point around the killing and closing of the americans. and verses people anywhere? >> his point is exactly right. we should be honest about it, take a look of the new york times the next day, and there was a headline which had something like the west celebrates the death of the radical cleric. then, concerns over the fact that he was an american.
the but of a problem if we go around killing americans. that is pretty scandalous. when doesn't matter if they are americans or where they are, there are people. the concept of people free of these state terror has been expanded over the years. and it should be expanded to include people. i should say that i am hesitant of some of these the idea myself. suit, the proposals with the national defense authorization act that includes which make it
optional for the government to place american citizens under indefinite detention in military prisons. and working on the suit to try signed on with reservations because what difference does it make if they are american citizens? it is mandatory in some non-mstances to place american citizens under. that is what we should be concerned with. had said thatly he was opposed to those provisions, and when the case the government
case, the plaintiffs in one. the judge threw out the becausent prosecution the prosecution refused to answer a simple questions. will these plaintiffs be subject to administrative attention. the judge threw that out and obama and immediately took it to the higher court. court, theupreme government will probably win. these are things that we should really be concerned about. ifm sure you will know, but you're really want to know in detail about what happens when
non-citizens, read some testimony. a recent book came out by australian, i think his name is. very much worth reading. he is a young man hiking around somewhere in northern afghanistan. the northern up by alliance, they sold for about two for the american forces and he describes his years. torture, the sadism, the cruelty are indescribable. these are american soldiers. you really have to read that. it is right in front of our
rise. he said something quite interesting that i was struck by. soldiers, these guys were shackled and could not move, surrounded by all kinds of military police. he said the guards were afraid of the prisoners. had been brainwashed by whatever training they went through, that they thought the prisoners were superhuman. but guards would come to his cell sometimes where he was him to performk some of his feats. when they took them out to be interrogated. make sure that they did not carry out some incredibly monstrous act that the soldiers
had probably seen in a movie there really were terrified of the prisoners. societyoing to our own when we are creating terror and fear among ordinary people. is that what you want your children to see? we lived in deciding area of people with guns to protect you from an unimaginable danger? as far as american culture is concerned, this is a very frightened society and it always has been. aday, it is taking
remarkable hold. people pressing for guns are terrified. guards standing outside the prison. what are they terrified of? you have to protect yourself from the federal government, the united nations, or whatever it might be. we have to have guns to protect killlves, we will probably each other, but the fear throughout society is simply incredible. moderated at harvard university about a month ago when jeremy's book first came out. it is a remarkable work and over
600 pages. i have to say, extremely readable. it is hard to put it down. it is out from an independent press, and it immediately debuted at no. 5 on the new york times best-seller lists. is 866-er to call 35943-4334 it is a double dvd. gave a majorjeremy address. today'snd is germy for asing out his investigation they take us inside the covert wars. and inside the united states with orders from the white house to do whatever is
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